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Post by grendel on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:01 pm

Thought I would make a topic dedicated to stuff to inspire us to knap and good quality pictures of this stuff.

This arrowhead found in Wiltshire is arguably the finest oblique arrowhead found anywhere in the world.



I had a go at making one a while back and came up with this.



With my replica the stem was both shorter and a lot wider, a couple of days ago I made a second attempt. I got it to the stage of everything being finished with the stem the same length as the Wiltshire one but the width as my first attempt, I kept it thick so it wasn't so fragile while I finished of the rest of the arrowhead. Then I began thinning the stem to the width of the Wiltshire one and surprise surprise it snapped.

One day I will make a third attempt.

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Post by the barnacle on Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:30 pm

looks like the wiltshire flint was also broke? thats a great bit of knapping G

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Post by grendel on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:59 pm



This point found in Witlshire looks a bit like an Armorican point if the tang was a bit longer. I wonder if it was imported from Armorica or local and if the knapper planned it like this or the tang broke in knapping.

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:20 pm

This is very much like those long ogival arrow heads from the "la Motta" burial (Brittany) I posted in notching a long time ago, sorry again for the upside down photo! Talk about drooping barbs!! wow!

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:22 pm

How about one of these:http://www.trocadero.com/stores/artemisgallery/items/976580/item976580.html
looks simple but I bet it's not Very Happy

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:24 pm

And here's a few more! http://alaskanartifacts.com/Mayan_OldWorld/Mayan_Lithics.html

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:43 pm

Or although these aren't old, they are mental: https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=10&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=885&q=tussenger+eccentrics&oq=tussenger+eccentrics&gs_l=img.12...2341.9374.0.11544.20.6.0.14.14.0.98.514.6.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.pPItpkO8aKA

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Post by grendel on Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:55 am

mr.hertzian cone wrote:And here's a few more! http://alaskanartifacts.com/Mayan_OldWorld/Mayan_Lithics.html


Those Mayan plano-convex daggers are pretty interesting, a thick flake taken from a core, a single long fluting flakes taken to create a handle and a bit of trimming at the side of the handle, simple and brilliant, 4 times as sharp as a biracial dagger a 4 times as easy to make. I've seen similar done by the Australian Aboriginals, though they cover the handle in resin and also the French Livre de Burre style is similar. Must have a go.....

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:11 pm

Yep, in theory it only takes four blade like flakes in exactly the right place to produce!

Going back to your arrowhead from Wiltshire I found some pictures of this type:[img][/img]

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:13 pm

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These look a bit pink, maybe heat treated?

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:17 pm

[img][/img]Some more long ogival barbed and tanged arrowheads, these have a very thin cross section at 3mm to get the notches so long. Very delicate work indeed!

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Post by grendel on Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:12 am

Looking at those arrowheads I'm guessing the material used was a lot softer than English flint.

This article of Armorican arrowheads says they have never been reproduced by a modern knapper.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ouest-france.fr%2Factu%2FactuLocale_-Prehistoire-conference-sur-les-fleches-armoricaines-_29158-avd-20120808-63374247_actuLocale.Htm

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:47 pm

That is fantastic! sounds like a challenge... if they are only 3mm thick then the notch needs only to be nibbled 1.5mm each side from the centre line. the depth is daunting but not impossible.

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Post by grendel on Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:22 am

A while back I found these fairly decent attempts. He looks an excellent all round knapper, shame his contact me form on the website doesn't work.




http://www.flintknapperman.com/page3.htm

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:39 am

Go flintknapperman! I have seen his work before and it is good, as for "slug knife" I guess it was origionally a joke name for an Early Bronze Age plano-convex knife and it stuck! and the mystery objects look like drill bits to me, and the Amorican arrowheads are exeptional in raw flint, especially if nothed with antler. I'm tempted to try a little bonfire over some blanks buried in sand and see how far I get with the notching...hmmm.

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Post by grendel on Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:22 am

The term slug knife for planes convex knives is quite common.

The mystery objects I made one just like the bottom one a while back, box on bottom right

https://servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=127&u=12073291

They aren't that difficult to make, mine was a knife gone wrong lets not waste the flint. Probably too brittle for a drill, i was going for either leather working hole punch (seems to be a flint version of a bronze awl) or just a knife gone wrong lets not waste the flint.


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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:39 pm

He he, I like that! sounds very plausable.

Going back to Mayan daggers, they aren't too different to the Levallois points, if they where on steroids!!

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Post by grendel on Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:38 pm

They remind me a lot of aboriginal knives, though the aboriginals gave them nice painted resin handles.


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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:04 pm

I had a look at the site that those knifes came from and the blades are made from quartzite!
Here is a nifty little knife bound with willow: http://cumuseum.colorado.edu/research/anthro/mantlescave/hafted_knife.html

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Post by the barnacle on Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:34 am

i would think to copy the Armorican arrowheads you would need to use the same flint as i am sure British flint is to hard? i have seen on american sites the flint they use seems to knap so much easier.

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Post by grendel on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:22 am

America has a huge range of flint, and it varies greatly in toughness and the way it fractures. Some are as tough as English flint, such as the stuff from Texas, but most are much softer, some less than half as tough. This does make replicating American artefacts using English flint.... a challenge, to say the least.

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Post by grendel on Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:38 pm

An interesting artifact mentioned in Prehistoric Flintwork (f)



apparently found in Britain, America, Russia according to this article,
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~drus105/LithicsPDFs/Lithics%2028/Lithics_28_2007_Field_Lamdin-Whymark_33_40.pdf

and Polynesia as illustrated above.
http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document/Volume_59_1950/Volume_59,_No._1/Supplementary_data_relating_to_the_ancient_Waitaha...,_by_G._Leslie_Adkin,_p_1-34/p1

Interesting all these different cultures came up with the same tool. No-one has any idea what they are for and they are pretty big up to 8 inches across.


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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:33 am

I've seen (a long time ago) really tiny examples at smaller than 1cm that where considered to be arrowheads from the sub-sahara region. These are a different beast indeed! Y shaped tools are rare in the U.K and I have handled one about 60mm long from the Cambidge area (again a while ago) from a private collection but that one could be considered more of a concave scraper with a stubby handle, more of a flake tool than a biface.

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Post by grendel on Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:06 pm

Grendel wrote:They remind me a lot of aboriginal knives, though the aboriginals gave them nice painted resin handles.

My rather lame attempts, bloody difficult to make, taking a long flake from a blade core that terminates in a perfect point is no easy thing. I've actually been trying for weeks and expended half a dozen cores without getting a single viable flake, finally the last one yielded three so so ones. Then I discovered getting the resin on is no mean feat and then the painting looks easier than it is. don't think I'll be making any more.



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Post by the barnacle on Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:16 pm

they look real smart, well made.  - what resin did you use, you must have a right big pile off flint in your garden now.

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