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Post by skalla on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:55 pm

here are the only pics i have atm, done on a camera phone so forgive the quality pls... i am a bit of a luddite too so maybe they wont even appear!









the point are really just preforms, only one of them has had pressure work done so far, and the knives were more about experimentation, and aren't strictly finished - but when i first took rock to rock, i never thought i'd even get this far in a month of sundays!

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Re: my beginnings

Post by skalla on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:57 pm

and if anyone can tell me how to make the piccies appear in the post itself, pls do. just use simple language pls Laughing

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Re: my beginnings

Post by Lumpendoodle on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:55 am

Still trying to work that out myself (with me, the simpler the language, the better).Very Happy

Do like the middle arrowhead, nice shape to it.

What did you use to fix the point into the antler? Being sort of an 'urban' knapper, I can't always get my hands on more 'natural' products (Anyway, not quite sure about going about collecting natural resin).

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Re: my beginnings

Post by grendel on Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:05 pm

Normally
If you hit the Post Reply, in the top left hand corner, unlike with Quick Reply, you get a toolbar along the top that allows you to do many things including add pics and vids. The add pics button looks like this, , click it and copy the picture address in.





Just noticed with the place you uploaded the pics this doesn't work, it turns out the link in the address bar is no good. What I did was right click on the picture then hit the option Copy Picture Link (may vary slightly with different browsers) and did the above using that address.


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Post by grendel on Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:24 pm

Very nice, the blade on the knife looks really thin, good job, I see you hafted it, is it bound with sinew under the resin?

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Post by skalla on Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:52 pm

cheers for the comments folks Smile

the points are hafted via using a saw to cut a notch vertically down the haft, just wide enough to fit the blade, adjusted with knife or file if need be.. i try to make the blade secure before adding glue - i'll stick slivers of wood inbetween notch and blade (i have a ready supply of shavings and sticks a mile high!) if necessary, then apply pine pitch glue (recipes all over the net, and chaotic fun to make without modern kit) in the cracks, then all over as seen. it also helps to heat blade and haft for the glue to bind really well.

once the glue is on, and no longer painfully molten, i'll give it a good squeeze all round so i feel it's filled the gaps, then reheat and re-squeeze a coupla times for good measure untill i'm happy it's homogenous and in all the gaps. once no longer tacky, i'll wrap/insulate it (the glue'd bit) in leather, or just clasp in fist as i feel that if it cools slowly and evenly, it will have more integrity (you can hear it crack as the glue dries/sets at different rates otherwise)...

i'll *try* do a fuller tutorial at some point if someone doesnt beat me to it, i feel i've learnt quite a bit about hafting this way, having managed to take several autistic students thru the process!

so far i have not used sinew on it, only as the only sinew i have is muntjack and felt it wouldnt be worth it as it's so short, hence the overdose on the pitch glue. however, they have held up very well under use - i felt that the lack of sinew was a possible advantage even - i can prise/crack the glue away (and then re-melt onto a glue stick and re-use, as i never burn it to melt it, just heat gently and comprehensively) then remove the blade to reshape, retouch or replace without the problem of removing and reapplying with the sinew. it's nice that in using these old tools you discover things like this Smile

the hafts are all wood btw - the "y" shaped one is blackthorn (it has a better blade now, i liked the handle so much i upgraded it) and the other one (shown in hand) was a previously slightly mouldy piece of holly left over from stick making.

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Post by skalla on Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:58 pm

as for collecting the pine resin, looking for it can be a pain - there are lots of pine plantations not so far from me, but getting a little from wounds on each tree is frustrating and time-consuming , plus you tend to get lots of bark bits which absorb the resin when you melt it for processing, resulting in unneccessary waste. better to walk the wood looking for a good, big, thick dying pine (well worth the effort) - i found one with countless golfball size lumps all over and filled a big ziplock bag on each of three visits - and yes, i had a geekgasm when i found it lol. it's hellish fun to make too

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Post by grendel on Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:16 am

How does the blade stand up to perpendicular pressure. I've never had much luck with blades hafted that way.

I now use a very different method of hafting, I even did a few glue forumala test and wrote an article about it. I'll did it up and try to find it.

We definately need a hafting topic................

P.S. Not being a Womble I buy my pine resin on ebay. It's often call rosin, it's used by classical musicians to polish wood instruments and a kilo back that will last years is only a few pounds.

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Post by Lumpendoodle on Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:51 am

Now, why did I write 'antler' when it's obviously wood (put it down to senior moment while typing).

Would love to see more info on hafting. I've just made a very basic hafted blade last weekend.

The blade is set in the antler using UHU style glue and the inside of some parachute cord. As I said, I'm more of an urban knapper. Very Happy

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Post by skalla on Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:15 am

they hold up well to perpendicular pressure, though obviously i would not use them in quite the same manner (or with the same lack of regard) that i would a steel knife - i would typically support the back of the blade with my thumb, where the glue transitions to blade, when doing such work. that being said, i make sure the blade is very snug in the haft before gluing so i guess that helps.

i guess part of the thing is that stone tools are not quite so multi purpose as steel - a good steel knife can do all manner of stuff and take the punishment, but in my experience so far, i would tailor the stone tool to a more limited range of jobs and handle with a little more care.. for example (stone-tool wise) a small adze/axe thingy, a saw-like blade and knife would most likely be needed to fulfill the functions of a good hefty steel knife in a woodland/bushcraft environment. however, if you have a supply of flint to hand, it's much easier, quicker and less complex to craft a new stone knife (an hour from flake to finished, hafted knife if yr lucky and practiced) than a steel one.

ps the tip on buying rosin is great, on my last foraging trip i got nothing but brambles stuck in my clothing, i need to find another dead pine asap! also i believe the swedes sell pine resin in large quantities still for the maritime industry.. i havent tried to hunt it down yet but have a few links on that industry, i'll look it up sometime and let folk know

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Post by skalla on Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:10 pm

howdy all,

it's been quite a while since i was on here last, got a new job within the same organisation so i aint teaching any primitive skills atm and i'm like way overbusy! As a result i havent had the time to do much knapping, mainly as would rather knap than spend time spalling from my various lumps of flint - as a result i have been doing other projects like a bit of toy making, spoon making and starting on drinking horns too. i missed knapping tho and started on some glass from the bottom of milk bottles.

i gotta say, after learning the ropes on flint, making arrowheads from glass was a doddle in comparison and it's so nice spending a spare 20 mins or so making a nice see-through arrowhead, and they make cool gifts too!

i also splashed out a mighty tenner on some antler (not very womble, sorry) and love the stuff, both as hammers and flakers, here are a couple of pics of some of the results...





i've made quite a lot of these now from beer and milk bottles, and glass flakes so easily that i can make them fairly quickly now, i have a tub of preforms/trimmed glass bits and just pick one up in a spare moment or when popping out for a smoke and 20 mins later i have a decent arrowhead! when choosing which beer to buy, i now examine the bottom of the bottle too!

i was gonna post a few other bits but this photo business is giving me a headache! maybe later i guess Very Happy

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Post by grendel on Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:08 am

That's a nice point, your knapping is coming along well. Did you do it with antler?

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:57 pm

good man, It's tricky to get going, but it all gets easier given time and good 'ol practice. I will post a picture of my first arrowhead when I find it again!

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Post by skalla on Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:14 pm

thanks guys, the issue for me is getting the time really and i usually have a few craft/making projects on the go - my outhouse has had a stack of walking sticks in various stages of unfinishedness nagging at me for a few months as well as lumps of stone giving me the eye so it's not always an easy choice.

the point was made with entirely with anter too, i had a few lightbulb moments on this one where certain rules and opportunities made sense and i was driven on be a bit more ambitious with it... i'd never attempted a notch or tang before - i'd just really made preforms and leaf shape blades so i was very proud of this one and learnt a lot from it.

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