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Post by Lumpendoodle on Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:12 pm

I also saw one chap on youtube who leaves his knapped flint to soak in water for quite a while before he does the finishing on it.

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:43 pm

I've never baked flint, though I've tried the soaking in water trick. The theory is that part of the make up of the stone is water and the nodules if they are out of the chalk has had a chance to dry out, thus making it more brittle and soaking puts some of this natural water content back. In practice I found that it made little noticable difference to the knapping of the flint although it did help with keeping the dust down a bit.

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:28 am

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Another beaker dagger! this one I'm much happier with. The flint was better quality and I was able to go much thinner, so not as "chubby" as the last one I posted!

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:40 am

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And the other side of the flint beaker dagger. Slightly more on the grey side, as this was closer to the center of the tabular nodule of flint.

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Post by grendel on Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:35 pm

Very nice

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Post by the barnacle on Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:48 pm

i can only dream of producing an item like that.

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:29 pm

Keep at it and you will! The beaker dagger was on my "impossible" list for yonks, so glad i've been able to figure it out, I have had so many break almost when they're there, the ol' "just one more flake and it'll be perfect" moments followed by a sickening crunch...Sad

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Post by the barnacle on Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:33 pm

looks a great bit of flint, if or when you do any more knapping could you take a pic of the flint block before you start, would be great to see a few before and after pics,

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:01 pm

I'm fresh out of flint at the moment, I've been picking up cruddy pieces this week but they have fallen to pieces as soon as they're struck. But when I get some quality flint I will do some before and after shots.

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Post by skalla on Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:27 am

fabulous work chaps! it's awesome to see collections of british knapper's work - i am both jealous and inspired in equal measure Very Happy

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Thu May 03, 2012 9:31 pm

[img][/img]This was from a tabular piece of flint with a seam running down the centre, a wierd effect when flaked to shape!

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Sun May 20, 2012 1:38 pm

[img][/img]This is one of the few things I have put a handle on, Flint knife from local flint, antler handle and a bone cap on the end to cover over the honeycomb centre of the handle, and artificial sinue to bind over the join. I'm ready now if I need to do some authentic scalping!

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Post by Lumpendoodle on Mon May 21, 2012 7:26 am

I was showing some arrowheads I had knapped to an archeologist last weekend, and his comment was that he was used to looking at way smaller versions of mine.

He brought some with him the next day, and sure enough, all the arrowheads were tiny. Not one was more than a couple of centimetres in length. Made my lot seem seriously clunky.

Another thing I found out from him was why chisel arrowheads are the shape they are. He told me that they apparently 'wobble' slightly in flight, causing a larger entrance hole and more damage than an ordinarily arrowhead would.

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Post by grendel on Mon May 21, 2012 12:07 pm

That is a good point, most original arrowheads were quite small. The ones knappers tend to reproduce are not the run of the mill stuff but the eceptional ones often large and more for display or grave goods than shooting.

There's a great timeline of American Indian arrowheads here, note the size change in 1300ad when the bow began to be used widely.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120108084952/http://www.relicshack.com/TimelineZoom.aspx


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Post by grendel on Mon May 21, 2012 12:08 pm

mr.hertzian cone wrote:[img][/img]This is one of the few things I have put a handle on, Flint knife from local flint, antler handle and a bone cap on the end to cover over the honeycomb centre of the handle, and artificial sinue to bind over the join. I'm ready now if I need to do some authentic scalping!

Beautiful work!

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Post by the barnacle on Mon May 21, 2012 7:39 pm

lovely knapping and great job of the handle - how did you fix the cover bit on the end of the handle? -



hey Grendle tats a great timeline very impressed with the programme.

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Post by skalla on Tue May 29, 2012 7:50 pm

aye, the antler handled knife is a beaut!

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Tue May 29, 2012 10:13 pm

the handle was rather non-authentic in attatchment: I used epoxy to glue it into the slot, and milliputt to fill the gap between handle and blade and the binding is artificial sinue (waxed nylon), it has a certian stretch to it and the wax makes it stick to itself!

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Post by grendel on Wed May 30, 2012 4:00 am

Still could go into business selling them.

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:28 pm

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This is my latest beaker dagger reconstruction, it is a copy of the flint dagger found with the West Cotton burial in Northampton. Funny curves on this one!

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Post by the barnacle on Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:34 pm

very smart and well knapped - i like the notches

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Post by grendel on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:13 am

Any idea what kind of handles these daggers had?

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Post by mr.hertzian cone on Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:10 pm

I think I've seen a photo of a replica Phil Harding knapped with a handle, though I don't recall ever seeing a genuine old one with a surviving handle, there are plenty of early bronze age copper daggers with surviving handles though, the corrosion deposits help preservation in the right conditions. I would expect them to be hafted in a similar way with a wooden (or horn) grip in two halves with a slight hollow inside to allow the blade to sit snugly (maybe a touch of pitch pine glue too) and a pommel made of bone to help tie the two halves together, as well as some binding through the notches and around the top part of the handle. Some Mayan Daggers are quite close in shape to these beaker daggers, but have really complex and anthopomorphic grips. Hmmm.

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Post by grendel on Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:34 am

I found this picture on the Museum of London website. This seems a bit more primitive handle than the ones from the finds you describe.


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Post by Lumpendoodle on Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:41 pm

Are those original handles, or replicas?

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